John Hall, Carpenter

John Hall, Carpenter

Male - 1786

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  • Name John Hall  [1, 2
    Suffix Carpenter 
    Gender Male 
    Group Hall Direct Descendant 
    • A person who is a direct descendant of any colonial New England Hall Family
    FamilySearch ID GXTM-NPP 
    Died 25 Dec 1786  Middletown, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • This death date has been proposed but not proven.
    Story 24 Jul 2022  Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location 
    The Problem of two John Halls 
    • The John Hall who married Esther Hubbard and the John Hall who married Mary Willis were two different people. This is easily demonstrated because they both have children being born at the same time. However, many esearchers conflate these two different John Halls.

      My working assumption - and this is something that I am currently working on for the Hall Families of New England study I am involved with (https://www.albionseed.com) - is that the John Hall born to Daniel Hall and Phebe Ward in 1717 was the John Hall who married Esther Hubbard and died in 1808 and is buried with his wife in the Old Farm Hill Cemetery in Middletown.

      The key records of that family from the Barbour collection are:

      Ancestry.com. Connecticut Town Records, pre-1870 (Barbour Collection)

      HALL, John, s. Daniel & Phebe, b. May 26, 1717 (Vol. LR2, p. 26)

      HALL, John, 2nd, m. Esther HUBBARD, Sept. 21, 1749 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, Esther, d. John & Esther, b. July 20, 1750 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, John, s. John & Esther, b. Apr. 27, 1752 (Vol. 2, p. 247)
      ---, Elizabeth, d. Jno. & Esther, b. May 15, 1754 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, Hannah, d. Jno.. & Esther, b. Mar. 29, 1756 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, David, s. Jno. & Esther, b. Feb. 15, 1758 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, Phebe, d. Jno. & Esther, b. Mar. 12 1760 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, Jonathan, s. Jno & Esther, b. Mar. 12, 1762 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, Ruth, d. Jno. & Esther, b. Sept. 13, 1764 (Vol. 2, p. 257)
      ---, John, d. July 16, 1808 (Vol. 2, p. 257)

      That death date for John at aged 92 based on the headstone with the memorial for Esther also in same cemetery with death in 1797 seems like good evidence for this John being the son of Daniel Hall and Phebe Ward.

      The records for the John Hall and Mary Willis family give fewer clues.

      HALL, John, Carpenter, m. Mary WILLIS, Dec. 14, 1752 (Vol. 2, p. 344)
      ---, John, s. John & Mary, b. Jan. 22, 1753 (Vol. 2, p. 344)
      ---, Mary, d. John & Mary, b. Dec. 15, 1754 (Vol. 2, p. 344)
      ---, Thomas, s. John & Mary, b. Oct. 14, 1756 (Vol. 2, p. 244)
      ---, William, s. John & Mary, b. Nov. 6, 1758 (Vol. 2, p. 344)

      A death record for a John Hall in Middletown of 25 December 1786 has been put up, but I cannot find the source for this so it is difficult to prove who it is for (eg, age at death).

      The record below has been widely interpreted are being Mary's death record.

      HALL, w. John, d. Oct. 1, 1762 (Vol. 1, p. 6)

      This is definitely not Mary (Willis) Hall. FindaGrave morial for Mary Hall of Hartford died in 1825 where she is represented as widow of John Hall of Middletown and the sister of her daughter in law memorialized on the same memorial is more convincing:

      https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146471549

      At this point I do not know who the widow of John who died in 1762 was.
    Alt. Death Unknown 
    Person ID I21198  New England Hall Families Master Tree
    Last Modified 6 Oct 2022 

    Family Mary Willis,   b. 16 Oct 1733, Bridgewater, Plymouth County, Massachusetts Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 7 Jun 1825, Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 91 years) 
    Married 14 Dec 1752  Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Children 
     1. John Hall,   b. 22 Jan 1753, Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 11 Jul 1830, Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 77 years)
     2. Mary Hall,   b. 15 Dec 1754, Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Unknown
     3. Thomas Hall,   b. 14 Oct 1756, Middletown, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 3 Jul 1829, Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 72 years)
     4. William Hall,   b. 6 Nov 1758, Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Aug 1810, Groton, New London County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 51 years)
    Last Modified 6 Oct 2022 
    Family ID F10046  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 14 Dec 1752 - Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 25 Dec 1786 - Middletown, Hartford County, Connecticut Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsStory - The Problem of two John Halls - 24 Jul 2022 - Middletown, Middlesex County, Connecticut Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S103] Connecticut, U.S., Town Marriage Records, pre-1870 (Barbour Collection).

    2. [S110] Connecticut, U.S., Hale Collection of Cemetery Inscriptions and Newspaper Notices, 1629-1934, Connecticut State Library; Hartford, Connecticut (Reliability: 0).